Legislature(1995 - 1996)

03/14/1995 09:10 AM Senate FIN

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  CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 137(FIN) am                                            
                                                                               
       An  Act  making  supplemental  appropriations  for  the                 
       expenses   of   state   government;    making   capital                 
       appropriations;   amending   operating  appropriations;                 
       making  appropriations to the  disaster relief fund and                 
       to the Alaska marine highway system fund; and providing                 
       for an effective date.                                                  
                                                                               
  Co-chairman Frank directed that CSHB  137(Fin) be brought on                 
  for discussion and  referenced a draft SCS CSHB 137(Fin) (9-                 
  GH0036\Z, Cramer, 3/13/95) and its accompanying spread sheet                 
  highlighting  differences  between  the  Governor's  amended                 
  request and House and Senate versions.  The Co-chairman then                 
  commented on the following items within the Senate bill:                     
                                                                               
  1.   Addition of funding to the Dept. of Corrections for the                 
  correctional academy to make Senate  funding consistent with                 
  House funding of $172.0.                                                     
                                                                               
  2.   Addition of $99.0 for correctional industries, which is                 
  consistent with House funding.                                               
                                                                               
  3.   Addition of  $25.0  to  the  Dept.  of  Administration,                 
  Alaska  Public  Offices  Commission, for  an  administrative                 
  hearing.                                                                     
                                                                               
  4.   Addition of $500.0 to the Dept. of Law for repayment of                 
  inappropriate federal cost allocation charges.                               
                                                                               
  5.   Addition of $4,394.1 for judgments and claims.                          
                                                                               
  6.   Reduction of uncollectible program receipts within  the                 
  Dept. of  Health  and Social  Services,  Alaska  Psychiatric                 
  Hospital, from $325.0 to $200.0.                                             
                                                                               
  7.   Addition  of $410.0 for judgment and claims in Dept. of                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Health and Social Services,  division of administration  and                 
  support services.                                                            
                                                                               
  8.   A technical amendment was made extending the lapse date                 
  on Exxon  Valdez Oil  Trustee Council  restoration projects,                 
  consistent with approvals made by the Legislative Budget and                 
  Audit Committee.                                                             
                                                                               
  9.   Addition  of $191.0 to  the Dept. of  Public Safety for                 
  the   arbitrator's   award   relating   to   state   trooper                 
  detachments.                                                                 
                                                                               
  10.  Funding of  $1.00 to  the Dept.  of Transportation  and                 
  Public  Facilities,  marine   highway  stabilization   fund,                 
  because language relating to an appropriation to the fund is                 
  included within the title of the bill.                                       
                                                                               
  11.  Extension   of   the   lapse   date   on   the   Egegik                 
  organizational  grant through  the  Dept.  of Community  and                 
  Regional Affairs.                                                            
                                                                               
  12.  Addition of $39.4  to the  Dept. of Administration  for                 
  stale dated warrants.                                                        
                                                                               
  13.  Addition of $95.8  to the  Dept. of Labor  to cover  an                 
  additional stale dated warrant request.                                      
                                                                               
  Senator Rieger asked if the $4.4 million supplemental to the                 
  Dept. of Law for judgments and claims involves collection of                 
  a number of  small miscellaneous claims.   Co-chairman Frank                 
  explained that  the largest  amount, $3.2  million, involves                 
  the Constantine case--a class action suit regarding  fishing                 
  violations.   The department  fined numerous  fishermen more                 
  than the court allowed.   The remaining amount  represents a                 
  number of smaller claims.                                                    
                                                                               
  Senator Donley raised a question concerning  reduced funding                 
  of $460.0 for Dept. of Health and Social Services activities                 
  at McLaughlin.  Co-chairman Halford explained that while the                 
  Governor requested $580.5, "It looked like they could get by                 
  with the $460.0."   He acknowledged that the department  had                 
  subsequently requested the  higher amount, and he  suggested                 
  that funding represents  a policy  call by  committee.   Co-                 
  chairman Frank advised of a conversation with the  Office of                 
  Management and Budget  indicating that other areas  could be                 
  reduced to increase  funding at  McLaughlin.  KAREN  PERDUE,                 
  Commissioner,  Dept. of  Health  and  Social Services,  came                 
  before  committee  accompanied   by  KATHY  TIBBLES,  Acting                 
  Director, Division of  Family and  Youth Services, Dept.  of                 
  Health and Social Services.   Ms. Tibbles explained that  if                 
  the  recent  two weeks  of  reduced detention  at McLaughlin                 
  holds, and if vacant youth counselor positions are filled to                 
  lessen the need for overtime, and all other budget items for                 
  McLaughlin hold, the facility might end up with a $5.0 lapse                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  at the end  of the year.   She cautioned that the  admission                 
  rate  has  historically  increased  in   the  spring.    The                 
  department does not believe the situation at McLaughlin will                 
  remain stable.  The division has  also been unable to obtain                 
  registers to fill  youth counselor vacancies.   The register                 
  will not be released  for another five weeks.   The division                 
  has explored the possibility of  utilizing funds from foster                 
  care, residential care, and other  youth facilities to cover                 
  a deficit at  McLaughlin, but has not found  needed funding.                 
  There is concern that an additional  cottage will have to be                 
  closed.    In changing  a  20-bed  treatment facility  to  a                 
  detention facility, the  division released "as many  kids as                 
  we  could  on  early  releases."    There  are  no   further                 
  discharges  that  can   be  made  without  endangering   the                 
  community.    Placement  of   additional  young  people   in                 
  detention  rather  than treatment  beds  will lead  to court                 
  sanctions.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Ms. Tibbles concluded her remarks by indicating:                             
                                                                               
       If we have an unhistoric decrease in detention for                      
       the remainder of  this year, we  might be able  to                      
       cover with our  existing resources.  But  we don't                      
       believe that's going  to happen, and  . . . we  do                      
       need the full supplemental . . . we requested.                          
                                                                               
  Commissioner  Perdue  noted that  the  department has  other                 
  funds to cover the shortfall.   However, those funds are not                 
  within the impacted BRU.  She said she  would provide a list                 
  of areas where transfers would have to be made.                              
                                                                               
  Comments  followed  by  Senator  Donley  regarding  lack  of                 
  ability to incarcerate dangerous juveniles.   He attested to                 
  the fact that  police officers  in Anchorage  often have  no                 
  place to take young people who have committed a crime.  Loss                 
  of an additional 20 beds will not improve the situation.                     
                                                                               
  Senator Zharoff asked for clarification  of the $1.8 million                 
  proposed by the Governor for the Toksook Bay school district                 
  fuel spill settlement and cleanup.  Co-chairman Frank voiced                 
  concern that  bad precedent  would be  set  if the  proposed                 
  settlement  is  funded.    DUANE  GUILEY,  Director,  School                 
  Finance,  Dept.  of Education,  came  before committee.   He                 
  explained  that the state owns both  the school building and                 
  the site upon which it is located.  The school district uses                 
  the building  on a use  permit.   A 5,000  gallon oil  spill                 
  occurred in 1990.   The  community of Toksook  Bay filed  an                 
  action against the district and listed the state as owner.                   
                                                                               
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  The state  and school district  had a number  of discussions                 
  with plaintiffs in an  attempt to settle, prior to  going to                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  court.  At a mediation session  before a judge in Anchorage,                 
  the  state  informed  the  district that  the  state  had  a                 
  preference for  settlement and  suggested that  the district                 
  join the state in an attempt to reach a "global settlement."                 
  The district  chose not  to settle  in advance.   The  state                 
  proceeded to settle  and has received tentative  approval of                 
  the settlement,  pending funding  by the  legislature.   The                 
  $1.8  million  will  "get  the  state  out  of  the  lawsuit                 
  entirely."   The  district would  then  go forward  to  jury                 
  trial.                                                                       
                                                                               
  Senator Rieger  inquired concerning  damages claimed  in the                 
  suit.  Mr. Guiley  advised that the initial claim  was $40.4                 
  million.    That  amount  consists of  miscellaneous  health                 
  claims--fear of potential for leukemia  and cancer and other                 
  such diseases as a result of  the petroleum product entering                 
  their  homes through the water system.   Mr. Guiley attested                 
  to  claims  of  short-term  nausea,  dizziness,  and   other                 
  discomforts.  There was also the inconvenience of not having                 
  access to water  in one's  home, having to  haul water,  and                 
  having  to deal with  honey buckets.   Not all miscellaneous                 
  claims have been documented and approved  by the state.  The                 
  class-action suit  involves approximately  500 residents  of                 
  the community.                                                               
                                                                               
  BARBARA RITCHIE,  Assistant Attorney General, Dept.  of Law,                 
  next came before  committee to  certify to the  class-action                 
  nature of the suit.                                                          
                                                                               
  In response to a further  question from Senator Rieger,  Mr.                 
  Guiley reiterated that the $1.8 million "settles the state's                 
  interest  entirely."    He  referenced  attorney  fees   and                 
  interest under "the  Rule of 82."  The total  award would be                 
  approximately $3,600 per  plaintiff.  The  settlement amount                 
  would be divided among individual claims, attorney fees, and                 
  costs.    Estimated   attorney  fees  total  $110.0.     The                 
  settlement consists  of  that amount,  an  $800.0  judgment,                 
  prejudgment  interest  of  $290.0,  reimbursable  costs   of                 
  approximately $100.0  for actual medical  expenses incurred,                 
  and avoided defense  cost of not  proceeding to jury  trial.                 
  In  response to  a question  from Co-chairman Halford,   Mr.                 
  Guiley said that  the settlement was based  on an assessment                 
  of  risk by  the Dept.  of  Law.   The  settlement was  also                 
  negotiated by the Dept. of Law.                                              
                                                                               
  Co-chairman Halford voiced his understanding that the  water                 
  system  at  Toksook  Bay was  posted  and  known  to be  "in                 
  trouble."  People continued  to use the water even  after it                 
  was  posted  as  unsuitable.    Mr.  Guiley  concurred.   He                 
  explained  that there  are two  sources of water  in Toksook                 
  Bay.   The secondary  water source is used  in the event the                 
  primary source freezes.  The secondary source is non-potable                 
  water from  an aquifer.   The non-potable  water supply  was                 
  contaminated by the  spill.   The city was  notified of  the                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  spill by the school  district.  The city decided to  turn on                 
  the  backup  supply  to  prevent   the  entire  system  from                 
  freezing.  It  appears that the city may  have had notice of                 
  the contamination prior to turning on the backup supply.                     
                                                                               
  In  response  to a  question  from Co-chairman  Halford, Mr.                 
  Guiley  informed  members that  the  city joined  the class-                 
  action suit filed by individual residents.   The state had a                 
  counterclaim  against  both the  city  and the  local Native                 
  corporation because of  the  appearance of spills from other                 
  bulk tanks in the community and  those located at the store.                 
  The  Co-chairman  asked  if  the  source  of  pollution  was                 
  conclusively  proven to  be "just the  school."   Mr. Guiley                 
  advised that  the 5,000 gallon spill was documented based on                 
  records of  volume in the tanks.  The aquifer was tested for                 
  contamination, and the samples of oil in the aquifer matched                 
  samples  of  oil from  the  bulk  fuel tanks  at  the school                 
  district.  In addition to that spill, oil  is seeping out on                 
  the beach.  It appears that oil on the beach may not be from                 
  the  5,000  gallon  spill  at the  school  but  from  Native                 
  corporation tanks at the  store.  Over time, there  has been                 
  more than one spill.  A previous 1,000 gallon spill was also                 
  documented  when the  BIA  ran the  school,  prior to  state                 
  possession of the facility.                                                  
                                                                               
  Senator Donley inquired concerning the  basis upon which the                 
  Dept. of Law recommended payment of the settlement.  Barbara                 
  Ritchie explained that,  under present  statutes, the  state                 
  incurred strict liability  for damages from the  spill.  The                 
  state cannot avoid paying some amount of damages.  The facts                 
  indicated that pursuing  the issue through the  courts would                 
  cost at least  half a million  dollars in attorney time  and                 
  might have avoided liability  to only "about 100 of  the 500                 
  plaintiffs."  Given the nature of jury awards in these types                 
  of  circumstances,  the   Dept.  of  Law  believes   that  a                 
  settlement  of   $3,600  per   plaintiff  is  an   excellent                 
  settlement.    It was  thus  negotiated and  recommended for                 
  funding.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Senator Donley  asked what percentage of  individual damages                 
  is represented by the  $3,600 settlement.  Ms. Ritchie  said                 
  it would depend  upon what happens  with the balance of  the                 
  case.  Most of the plaintiffs are children who have suffered                 
  "real damages" in  the nature of short-term  health effects,                 
  interruption of water  service, etc.  The Senator  asked how                 
  much the department anticipates plaintiffs will collect from                 
  others in the  suit.   Mr. Guiley explained  that the  state                 
  initially argued that it had  10% responsibility because the                 
  state was merely  the owner of  the building and site  while                 
  the  district  was  the  actual   operator.    As  attorneys                 
  attempted to negotiate the settlement  before the judge, the                 
  judge  said  he was  not  interested in  apportionment.   He                 
  instead sought global  settlement.  The amount  the district                 
  negotiated with plaintiffs  to a  point close to  settlement                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  was "at least  three times that of the  state . . .  ."  The                 
  district argued the other side of  the issue, saying that it                 
  had only 10%  liability and  the state had  90% because  the                 
  state failed to  provide the district adequate  resources to                 
  properly maintain the  building.  Senator Donley  asked that                 
  in the future  the Dept.  of Law send  before committee  the                 
  attorney  who  actually worked  on  the case.    Ms. Ritchie                 
  explained that the primary attorney is located in Anchorage.                 
  Co-chairman   Frank  directed  that   he  be  contacted  via                 
  teleconference.                                                              
                                                                               
  Senator Rieger noted reference  to strict liability statutes                 
  and voiced  his understanding  that they  relate to  cleanup                 
  costs  rather than  damage  awards to  third  parties.   Ms.                 
  Ritchie advised that, in this instance, the strict liability                 
  of the State of Alaska flows from the fact that the state is                 
  the owner  of the  property.   The state,  as the  owner, is                 
  responsible for  both cleanup and  reimbursement of  parties                 
  for damages under the statutory  scheme of strict liability.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Senator Sharp  voiced his  understanding that the  secondary                 
  water supply was never potable.   Mr. Guiley concurred.  The                 
  Senator   then   asked    if   ongoing   testing   indicated                 
  contamination prior to  the spill.  Mr.  Guiley acknowledged                 
  testing of the primary  water supply.  He stressed  that the                 
  contaminated aquifer was the backup.  The primary source has                 
  problems  with  temporary  freezing  during extreme  weather                 
  conditions.    The  backup  supply  was non-potable  due  to                 
  inclusion of  chemicals and  metallic particles  not due  to                 
  petroleum  product.    The state  hired  experts  to conduct                 
  testing and analysis of  the contamination in an attempt  to                 
  trace the petroleum product to  specific supplies within the                 
  community.    There  was  sufficient  evidence  to  convince                 
  attorneys that "It was, in fact, the same oil that came from                 
  the school district tanks that was in the aquifer."                          
                                                                               
  The  cleanup to  which  the state  has  agreed is  contained                 
  within a written plan approved by the Dept. of Environmental                 
  Conservation.  It is  limited to $400.0.  The  budgeted cost                 
  of the  cleanup, scheduled  to take  place  this summer,  is                 
  $397.0.  The cleanup plaintiffs  want, based on professional                 
  estimates, is a  $10 million cleanup.   Plaintiffs want  all                 
  oil removed from the  aquifer.  The $397.0 cleanup  will not                 
  do that, but it will remove oil to the extent that  DEC will                 
  approve the cleanup as sufficient under state statutes.                      
                                                                               
  Co-chairman Halford stressed that the city made the decision                 
  to run  contaminated water through the system  after it knew                 
  "the water was bad" because it wanted to protect its primary                 
  system.  That  had nothing to  do with the school  district.                 
  The city should not now be party  to a lawsuit "suing us for                 
  their action."  Mr. Guiley said  that the primary purpose of                 
  the settlement is  to release the  state from the claims  of                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  individual residents.  When the settlement is finalized, the                 
  state will receive  a release from  "all of those claims  as                 
  well as from the city."   He again referenced  counterclaims                 
  against the city  and Native corporation relating  to "their                 
  apportionment of  the damages from the total oil spill which                 
  relates  to  the spill  at  the  beach site."    Co-chairman                 
  Halford  asked   if  the   state  intends   to  pursue   the                 
  counterclaims.  Mr. Guiley voiced  his understanding that if                 
  the  settlement   is   funded  by   the   legislature,   the                 
  counterclaims may  continue against  the school  district to                 
  recover the $397.0 in cleanup costs.  He advised that he was                 
  unsure  whether counterclaims  would  continue against  "the                 
  other plaintiffs."   Senator Donley voiced  frustration that                 
  the school district would merely come to the legislature for                 
  more money.   It  thus appears  that money  is merely  being                 
  shifted around.                                                              
                                                                               
  Senator Zharoff asked  if the state would be  completely out                 
  of the case  should the settlement  go forward.  Mr.  Guiley                 
  responded affirmatively, saying:                                             
                                                                               
       Yes.  The state  would be completely out of  it to                      
       the extent  of the plaintiffs.   And then,  if the                      
       state were to  continue this  effort, it would  be                      
       only to recover costs incurred.                                         
                                                                               
  Senator Zharoff voiced  his understanding that the  state is                 
  viewed  as  the  "deep pocket"  in  the  case.   Mr.  Guiley                 
  answered:                                                                    
                                                                               
       Certainly . .  . in  the apportionment, where  the                      
       state  originally   tried   to   argue   the   10%                      
       responsibility   with   the  district   being  90%                      
       responsibility  [sic].   The  concern  is that  if                      
       there is  a  substantial  settlement  against  the                      
       district,  that,  in fact,  the  state may  end up                      
       having to pay the cost anyway.                                          
                                                                               
  Senator Donley concurred, noting that if the  state gets out                 
  of the case, and the school district  does not do a good job                 
  of defending  itself and  is subsequently  hit  with a  "big                 
  judgment," the  state will  end up  paying that  also.   Mr.                 
  Guiley observed that  the district has resources  upon which                 
  it can  draw.   That would  depend upon  to what  extent the                 
  legislature would require the district to be responsible for                 
  its own claims.                                                              
                                                                               
  Senator  Zharoff voiced his understanding that "Everybody is                 
  agreeing  to settlement  to some degree"  but there  is some                 
  difference between the city and plaintiffs.  Mr. Guiley said                 
  that the district and plaintiffs were "very close to a final                 
  settlement."  Negotiations "came down to  within a couple of                 
  hundred thousand dollars," but they could not come  to final                 
  agreement.  At  this point, the case is scheduled for a jury                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  trial in Bethel.                                                             
                                                                               
  Co-chairman Frank directed that review  of other portions of                 
  the supplemental request proceed pending establishment of  a                 
  teleconference link with the Dept. of Law in Anchorage.                      
                                                                               
  Senator Donley raised  a question regarding funding  for the                 
  public defender agency within  the Dept. of  Administration.                 
  Co-chairman  Frank said that  supplemental funding  puts the                 
  agency  above last year's request  by the Governor.  Senator                 
  Donley referenced comments by the  agency that its budget is                 
  case  driven.     However,  the  agency  fails   to  discuss                 
  administrative decisions relating  to how  much is spent  on                 
  individual  cases.    Comments  from   those  in  the  legal                 
  community indicate that the state provides "some outstanding                 
  defenses for  criminals in  this state--much  more than  any                 
  ordinary citizen could ever provide for  themselves . . . ."                 
  Co-chairman  Frank concurred  in  frustration over  what  is                 
  adequate, what choices  are made, and  what controls are  in                 
  place.   The  budgetary  message should  be  that there  are                 
  limits to what the  legislature is willing to provide.   The                 
  agency   should   be   challenged  to   manage   within  the                 
  appropriated level.                                                          
                                                                               
  Senator Donley advised that he was not convinced of need for                 
  the $50.0  in supplemental  funding.   ALISON ELGEE,  Deputy                 
  Commissioner, Dept.  of Administration, briefly  came before                 
  committee.  Senator Donley inquired concerning the number of                 
  convictions overturned because of  inadequate representation                 
  by  the  public  defender's  office.     Ms.  Elgee deferred                 
  comment to  Mr. Salemi, director of the  agency, and offered                 
  to make arrangements for him  to testify via teleconference.                 
  Co-chairman  Frank  asked  that Senator  Donley  pursue  his                 
  concerns through the  subcommittee reviewing the  budget for                 
  the Dept. of Administration.                                                 
                                                                               
  Ms.  Elgee advised  that budgets  for the  office  of public                 
  advocacy and  public defender  have, over  the last  several                 
  years, been developed based on  prior year plus supplemental                 
  funding.   That  does not provide  a factor  for substantial                 
  case load  increases experienced by both agencies.  The cost                 
  per case  is decreasing,  but the  sheer volume  of activity                 
  drives up program costs.                                                     
                                                                               
  Comments  followed  by  Senator Donley  regarding  need  for                 
  recommendations for  reducing both  costs and  volume.   Ms.                 
  Elgee attested to a 30 to  40% reduction in costs, resulting                 
  in  an  average  cost of  $500  per  case.   Senator  Donley                 
  suggested need for  statutory changes to allow  the agencies                 
  to perform  within budget limitations.   Ms. Elgee  spoke to                 
  recommendations stemming from criminal justice working group                 
  efforts.    She  specifically  noted   need  to  reduce  the                 
  incidence  of  alcohol  use because  of  its  correlation to                 
  violent  crime.  Senator  Donley voiced need  for changes to                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  "the structure .  . .  that compel  the state  to provide  a                 
  certain level of  defense."  Ms. Elgee  attested to controls                 
  which  restrict  evidence  processing   to  that  needed  to                 
  response to the  prosecution's case.  Further  discussion of                 
  parameters followed.                                                         
                                                                               
  Co-chairman Frank advised  of a  teleconference link to  the                 
  Dept.  of   Law  in  Anchorage.     [The   following  is   a                 
  transcription  of teleconference  discussion of  the Toksook                 
  Bay settlement.]                                                             
                                                                               
  CO-CHAIR FRANK:   We do have Chris  Funk, from the Dept.  of                 
  Law, in   place  of the attorney that negotiated the Toksook                 
            Bay settlement.  He apparently .  . . I don't know                 
            if it's a he or  she, but this attorney apparently                 
            knows something about the case.   Are you on line?                 
            Yes, go ahead.                                                     
                                                                               
  BARBARA RITCHIE:  Mr. Chair.  Yes, it should be Ray Funk.                    
                                                                               
  CO-CHAIR FRANK:  Ray?  Oh, okay.                                             
                                                                               
  BARBARA RITCHIE:   Chris Kennedy is apparently on leave this                 
  week.                                                                        
       Ray Funk is in the tort section in the Fairbanks office                 
       and was also involved in the case.                                      
                                                                               
  CO-CHAIR FRANK:   We  got the  names transposed  here.   So,                 
  okay.  Is      it Mr. Funk then?                                             
                                                                               
  FUNK:  Yes, sir, can you hear me?                                            
                                                                               
  CO-CHAIR FRANK:  Yes, we can.                                                
                                                                               
  FUNK:   I wanted to clear  up one matter first, that Barbara                 
  Ritchie   brought to my  attention.   The question was,  was                 
            the case a class  action.  The case was  not filed                 
            as  a  class  action,  but  in  trying  to  effect                 
            settlement  of the  case,  we were  concerned that                 
            there  might  be  more   suits  later  from  other                 
            individuals.  And we made  a settlement based upon                 
            the  court  certifying a  settlement class,  to be                 
            able to ensure  that this  litigation was a  final                 
            end to any and all potential claims that  came out                 
            of this fuel spill, for the state.                                 
                                                                               
  CO-CHAIR FRANK:  Senator Sharp.                                              
                                                                               
  SEN. SHARP:  Does  that include the school district,  if the                 
  state     pays 100 per cent?                                                 
                                                                               
  FUNK:  No.   The school  district is still  litigating.   We                 
  made                                                                         
       attempts  to  have  a  joint  settlement  between  both                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
       defendants and the  plaintiffs a  couple of times,  and                 
       those have been unsuccessful to date.                                   
                                                                               
  CO-CHAIR FRANK:  Senator Donley.                                             
                                                                               
  SEN. DONLEY:   Well, Mr. Funk,  I guess one of  the concerns                 
  I've got                                                                     
       is that,  you know, as  an attorney  you're looking  at                 
       your  client's  interest (which  is  the state  and the                 
       people),  but as a finance  committee we've got to look                 
       at the overall costs involved.  And if we're paying for                 
       the costs for  not only  your client but  also for  the                 
       school district,  I mean, we have a  different frame of                 
       reference in our  decision making here.   I'm wondering                 
       did you consider, and I don't  know whether it would be                 
       or not, any advantage to the  state staying in the case                 
       to make  sure the  school district  properly litigates.                 
       Because, we're  probably going  to end  up paying  what                 
       they pay too.                                                           
                                                                               
  FUNK:   We  certainly looked  at those  concerns, and  those                 
  concerns  were brought up  by the  school district any  time                 
            there was consideration of separate discussions of                 
            settlement.   And, those were reviewed  all along.                 
            As well, I've  been on  the phone  as recently  as                 
            last  Friday with  various  issues concerning  the                 
            defense,  by the school district, of other claims.                 
            They're  interested  in  some  of the  information                 
            we've developed, some of the experts . .  . .  No,                 
            we are still recognizing the legislature's concern                 
            about  their defense  of the case.   We  also have                 
            some issues between  us in  terms of cross  claims                 
            between  us  and  the   school  district  that  we                 
            attempted  unsuccessfully,  to  date,  to  resolve                 
            through settlement discussion.                                     
                                                                               
  CO-CHAIR FRANK:  Senator Halford.                                            
                                                                               
  CO-CHAIR HALFORD:  What about the  city?  Are you proceeding                 
  in any                                                                       
       counterclaims  against the city for actually making the                 
       decision that incurred the liability?                                   
                                                                               
  FUNK:    There  were  counterclaims  filed  in  the  lawsuit                 
  concerning                                                                   
       decisions by the city to pass the oiled water on to the                 
       residents of Toksook  Bay.  And, in  settlement of this                 
       case, those  were  part of  the dismissal.   Those  are                 
       still being pursued by the school district as to  their                 
       part of the  case.  But, part of the  resolution of the                 
       lawsuit was our dismissal of those counterclaims.                       
                                                                               
  CO-CHAIR HALFORD:    Oh,  so  you're going  to  dismiss  the                 
  counterclaims  against the city as a part of this deal?                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  FUNK:  Yes, Senator.                                                         
                                                                               
  CO-CHAIR  HALFORD:   What  was  the reason  that  the city's                 
  primary   system was allowed to freeze up?                                   
                                                                               
  FUNK:  I'm sorry, sir, I don't . .  . .  The system had been                 
  faulty    and they were worried about it freezing up.   And,                 
            it was  because  of that  concern--that  it  might                 
            freeze up--that  it appears  the city  disregarded                 
            advise   from   the    Dept.   of    Environmental                 
            Conservation,  once  the   backup  well  had  been                 
            contaminated, to go  ahead and  use it to  prevent                 
            the freeze up.  But, my understanding of the facts                 
            are  that  it had  not  frozen  up prior  to  that                 
            occasion.                                                          
                                                                               
  CO-CHAIR HALFORD:    So, the  primary  source that  was  DEC                 
  approved  hadn't frozen up at all, then.                                     
                                                                               
  FUNK:  No.   They were worried, historically, I  guess, that                 
  it   might.  It's  an infiltration system  out of a  stream.                 
       The well that was  contaminated was a backup well  that                 
       they tried  never to use  because it was  also brackish                 
       and made the water less potable.  So, it was only  used                 
       on  rare occasions  and  would only  be  used in  these                 
       concerns that during the winter the infiltration system                 
       had some problems that led to the fear of freeze up.                    
                                                                               
  CO-CHAIR FRANK:  Senator Halford                                             
                                                                               
  CO-CHAIR HALFORD:   Just following  your proposed settlement                 
  through,       does  it  basically  include virtually  every                 
                 member  of the population of the community as                 
                 a recipient of the individual shares?                         
                                                                               
  FUNK:  Yes,  sir, that  was the intent  to prevent  . . .  .                 
  When      proposing   a   settlement  class,   we  basically                 
            proposed  language that  would include  anybody in                 
            the town  or [who]  passed through  the town  that                 
            could  have been  contaminated  during the  period                 
            when  the contamination  existed  and the  cleanup                 
            prevented  problems.    [It took]  nine  months to                 
            clean up the water  system.  So there was  [sic] a                 
            lot of problems in town and hauling water.  Things                 
            like that.                                                         
                                                                               
  CO-CHAIR HALFORD:   So, I  assume the person  that made  the                 
  decision  to spread  the water around was a  resident of the                 
            community.  And,  he will be . . .  possibly if he                 
            has  a  large  family,  he  might get  $30,000  in                 
            damages for his  decision to provide  contaminated                 
            water to the rest of the community.                                
                                                                               
                                                                               
  FUNK:    Sir,   it  was  our  understanding  it  wasn't  any                 
  individual     person.    But,  it  was  a  water  committee                 
                 operating on the information  they had.  But,                 
                 the answer to your question is certainly that                 
                 would be a member of the potential settlement                 
                 class.    And, I  think a large  part of  the                 
                 settlement  money  would  be   spread  evenly                 
                 between  all   of  them.    The  proposal  of                 
                 plaintiffs'  lawyers  to  the court  is  that                 
                 certain  moneys  be paid  in  attorneys fees,                 
                 certain  moneys be  held  for costs,  and the                 
                 rest be distributed.                                          
                                                                               
  CO-CHAIR FRANK:  Senator Donley, then Senator Sharp                          
                                                                               
  SEN.  DONLEY:  Thanks, Mr. Chairman.   I just wanted to walk                 
  through   this a little bit more too.   So, when the state .                 
            .  .  if  the  state .  .  .  if  we  approve this                 
            settlement,  and  the  state  dismisses its  cross                 
            claim or counterclaim against the city, who else .                 
            . . is there . . . do the parties, then, also have                 
            a claim against the city that would be ongoing?                    
                                                                               
  FUNK:   The school district  does.  My memory  is, yes, that                 
  they      filed, also, a counterclaim against the city.                      
                                                                               
  SEN. DONLEY:   But the parties didn't sue  the city?  So the                 
  city      would  be  out  of  it,   other  than  the  school                 
            district's counterclaim?                                           
                                                                               
  FUNK:   The city is  one of the  plaintiffs who's suing  the                 
  school    district as  well.  The suit was brought on behalf                 
            of  the  city  of  Toksook  Bay, the  Toksook  Bay                 
            Traditional  Council,  and   a  large  number   of                 
            individual plaintiffs  that kept  growing as  they                 
            tried to amend the complaint as people got to know                 
            about  the  lawsuit.    The  eventual   number  of                 
            individuals, I think, is close  to 500 now, in the                 
            thirteenth amended complaint.                                      
                                                                               
  SEN. DONLEY:  Well, it's just that . . . .  It seems like it                 
  was  the city which made the decision  to turn on the water.                 
       But since they'd be suing themselves, if they did that,                 
       they  rolled the  state  in.   The  state settles  out.                 
       They're out of it.  They've  got no liability.  They've                 
       got  no  personal responsibility  to  come up  with the                 
       money to pay  their own people the  damages they caused                 
       to them.                                                                
                                                                               
  FUNK:    Certainly, the possibility of an insurance coverage                 
  by  the  city  that  may  have  created  some  funds  for  a                 
  resolution  of  the  case  that  would  leave  them  with  a                 
  percentage  of fault  or  some liability  was  investigated.                 
  And,  because of  recent pollution  exclusions in  insurance                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  policies, we couldn't  locate any  likely available pots  of                 
  money  that  would have  provided  good likelihood  of their                 
  being a serious participant for those issues.                                
                                                                               
  SEN. DONLEY:  Could you tell  me the statute that's . .  . .                 
  Well,     could you tell me exactly the cause of your belief                 
            that, you know,  . . .  what the statutory law  or                 
            case law is that says the state has  some exposure                 
            here.                                                              
                                                                               
  FUNK:  Certainly,  sir.  The  lawsuit was based upon  claims                 
  both      under traditional negligence law and nuisance law,                 
            but primarily it's based on AS 46.03.822, which is                 
            the  state  statute for  strict liability  for the                 
            release  of hazardous  substances.   And,  it sets                 
            forth very,  you  know, very  limited defenses  in                 
            sec. (b)  of that statute--mostly  concerning acts                 
            of  war and acts of God--none of which appeared to                 
            at all apply  to the state.  But, strict liability                 
            is for either  the owner of the  facility (in this                 
            case the state had received title to this facility                 
            from the federal government  the year before)  and                 
            for the owner of the  hazardous substance (in this                 
            case  the  fuel)  which  was  and  is  the  school                 
            district (LKSD).  And  they were also the  ones in                 
            control of the facility.   Through a use agreement                 
            with  the  state,  they  were  in control  of  the                 
            facility.  So, both of us,  in a sense, had strict                 
            liability for  this hazardous  release and,  under                 
            the  statute, then, are  liable for the reasonable                 
            costs of cleanup and for any damages that grow out                 
            of the release.                                                    
                                                                               
  SEN. DONLEY:   But, what did  the state do  wrong, here?   I                 
  mean, it  seems like unless the state actually did something                 
            wrong, you still  have . . . .   You can subrogate                 
            your claim.  I mean, you  can go after the parties                 
            who did do something wrong  to 100 percent of your                 
            damage--anything you pay out, right?                               
                                                                               
  FUNK:  No, sir.  That's what strict liability is  all about.                 
  It   doesn't look at  fault.  It  just says, 'Did a  release                 
       occur?  Are you the owner or operator of the facility?'                 
       Therefore, you have to pay damages.                                     
                                                                               
  SEN. DONLEY:  Right.  Right.                                                 
                                                                               
  [Indiscernible  comments  due   to  more  than   one  person                 
  speaking.]                                                                   
                                                                               
  FUNK:   . . . because of the  difficulty of finding who's at                 
  fault.                                                                       
                                                                               
  SEN.  DONLEY:   Right.   Okay, so  the state pays,  but they                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  still can      sue the parties who actually are at fault and                 
                 collect  from them, can't  they?   Isn't that                 
                 what the countersuit and cross-claims are all                 
                 about?                                                        
                                                                               
  FUNK:  They're about indemnity and about contribution, which                 
  are  those issues.  The state believes that its . . .                        
                                                                               
  [End  of tape transcription.  The following portion of these                 
  minutes reflects transcription of shorthand notes.]                          
                                                                               
  (Senate  President  Pearce arrived  at  the meeting  at this                 
  time.)                                                                       
                                                                               
  Senator  Rieger inquired  concerning  actual cleanup  costs.                 
  Mr. Funk explained that part of  the settlement requires the                 
  state to  pay $1.8 million  and conduct cleanup  expected to                 
  cost $400.0.   He  acknowledged that,  at one  point in  the                 
  discussion, plaintiffs wanted to control cleanup.                            
                                                                               
  In response  to comments  by Senator  Rieger concerning  the                 
  complexity of the issue, Mr. Funk again referenced sec.  (b)                 
  of the strict liability  statute and said that it  is clear,                 
  in his legal analysis  as well as review by  other attorneys                 
  in  the  department,  that  all  factors  apply.    Language                 
  reflects  environmental  law  that makes  it  difficult  for                 
  anyone  to  slip out  of  liability.   The  law  was drafted                 
  against  polluters.   This  is the  first  case where  it is                 
  coming back on the state as the defendant.                                   
                                                                               
  Responding  to  a  further   question  from  Senator  Rieger                 
  concerning the cross-claim, Mr. Funk  said it was disturbing                 
  to him that  the state could  not achieve a settlement  that                 
  included the school district as well.   Mr. Funk attested to                 
  brokered mediation and the fact that the state  continues to                 
  want discussion with school district lawyers.  It would have                 
  been better if all issues could have been resolved.                          
                                                                               
  Co-chairman  Halford said  that  his recommendation  not  to                 
  include requested settlement funding in the supplemental was                 
  based on  the fact that it would,  in effect, pay the people                 
  who  made the  decision,  at state  expense.   Payment  also                 
  appears  to  leave the  state  with further  liability.   He                 
  reiterated  his  belief that  the  settlement should  not be                 
  funded in the supplemental.  He  further advised that he did                 
  not  think  it  should  be  funded  at all.    The  Co-chair                 
  suggested that the case should be litigated to conclusion.                   
                                                                               
  Senator Sharp  asked if any testing or  evaluation of school                 
  property  was done  prior to  last year's transfer  from the                 
  federal government to the state.  Mr. Funk responded that he                 
  was unaware of an evaluation.  The Senator suggested that it                 
  was  hard to  believe  the state  would accept  the transfer                 
  without testing.  Mr. Funk explained that the spill occurred                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  because a pipe  rotted away and burst beneath the elementary                 
  school, a few  feet away from the backup well.  The Dept. of                 
  Law  looked  for  ways  to  blame  the prior  owner  of  the                 
  elementary school.   Mr. Funk  mentioned federal  government                 
  involvement in a minor  spill at the site  in 1975 or  1976,                 
  but  the  Dept.  of  Law  could  find no  evidence  in  this                 
  instance.  The  backup well was  always tested by the  city,                 
  and there was  no major evidence  of pollution.  In  1990, a                 
  maintenance man at the school found  that a tank that should                 
  have had 5,000  gallons of fuel oil  was empty.  It  was the                 
  rotting of the pipe that caused the pollution.  The Dept. of                 
  Law tried to link prior pollution  to damages, but could not                 
  find a good  basis to advance a  claim.  The real  damage to                 
  the community appears to be from this spill.                                 
                                                                               
  Senator Sharp asked if the state performed a test.  Mr. Funk                 
  answered, "Not to my knowledge."                                             
                                                                               
  Senator Zharoff inquired concerning the  effect of the state                 
  not settling  at this time,  both in monetary  and precedent                 
  setting terms.  Mr. Funk  explained that the alternative  is                 
  to look at what could happen in a verdict.  The Dept. of Law                 
  believes  that  claims  of  strict  liability would  be  the                 
  determining factor.  There is risk of a judgment in the tens                 
  of millions  of dollars.   That is  one of  the reasons  the                 
  settlement  was reached.    The cost  of litigation  is also                 
  anticipated to be expensive.   The cost of experts  would be                 
  high  since  complex  environmental   issues  are  involved.                 
  Discovery might require expensive drilling at a remote site.                 
  It was for that reason that the state wanted the settlement.                 
  Speaking to  precedent, Mr.  Funk voiced  department concern                 
  that the  state, as owner, is responsible for speedy cleanup                 
  efforts.    The state  needs to  step  forward and  meet the                 
  requirements it imposes on others.                                           
                                                                               
  Senator Rieger inquired concerning the date of the spill and                 
  subsequent cleanup  action.   Mr. Funk  said that the  spill                 
  occurred during the  months of  October and November,  1990.                 
  In a  couple of days, staff  at the city noticed  the backup                 
  well was contaminated.   Since no one seemed aware  that the                 
  state  owned  the   facility,  the  school   district  hired                 
  contractors to  conduct cleanup.   It  took approximately  9                 
  months to  clean the  water system.   It was August  of 1991                 
  before the water was certified by DEC.  To date, nothing has                 
  happened in terms of cleanup costs.   Part of the settlement                 
  covers the cost to cleanup the aquifer, next summer.                         
                                                                               
  Senator Zharoff raised a question regarding funding of $1.00                 
  for  marine  highway stabilization  as  opposed to  the $1.5                 
  million requested by  the ferry system, the  $739.8 proposed                 
  by the Governor, and the  $400.0 provided by the House.   He                 
  suggested that the state would lose revenue because it would                 
  have to reduce the number of sailings.                                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
  GARY  HAYDEN, Director,  Marine  Highway  System,  Dept.  of                 
  Transportation and Public Facilities, came before committee.                 
  Co-chairman  Frank  reiterated  that inclusion  of  language                 
  relating  to  appropriation  to  the  Alaska  Marine Highway                 
  System fund  in the title  of the supplemental  required the                 
  Senate to appropriate  something; hence inclusion  of $1.00.                 
  The Co-chairman referenced  the subcommittee  recommendation                 
  that the  supplemental cover  only unavoidable costs  rather                 
  than  needs  that  result  from   policy  decisions  by  the                 
  administration.                                                              
                                                                               
  Mr. Hayden  said that  if the  system does  not receive  the                 
  three positions he would:                                                    
                                                                               
       1.   Keep the  TUSTUMENA in  dry dock  at Seward  for a                 
  savings        of $60.0 per week.                                            
                                                                               
       2.   Keep the  LaCONTI in  dry dock  in Bellingham  and                 
  save $50.0          per week.                                                
                                                                               
  Those savings will also reduce revenues  $91.5 per week.  In                 
  the end  the state would  save $110.0  but lose $90.0.   The                 
  above vessels are more  expensive to operate per the  amount                 
  of revenue they produce.  In response to a question from Co-                 
  chairman Frank, Mr.  Hayden spoke  to costs associated  with                 
  staffing  levels  (engine  room  and  deck  personnel),  and                 
  maintenance  of power plants  and lines when  vessels are in                 
  dry dock.                                                                    
                                                                               
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  [Minutes  from  this  point  reflect  transcription  of tape                 
  recording.]                                                                  
                                                                               
  Mr.  Hayden  said that  should  supplemental funding  not be                 
  forthcoming,  in  addition to  extended  dry docking  of two                 
  vessels, he would carry the imbalance forward into next year                 
  and cut back on projected service for that fiscal year in an                 
  attempt to balance the budget.   Co-chairman Frank suggested                 
  that if the $400.0 imbalance was carried forward, the system                 
  would  have a  whole year to  make up  the difference.   Mr.                 
  Hayden concurred.   He then  explained that for  the current                 
  year the  system is  providing 307  weeks of  service.   The                 
  budget  for next  year  projects 303  weeks.   Service would                 
  probably be  lowered  to  295  or  300  to  accommodate  the                 
  imbalance.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Co-chairman Halford inquired  concerning the balance  of the                 
  marine  highway fund.   Mr. Hayden  advised of  $40 million,                 
  including general  fund deposits.   Up  to  this point,  the                 
  system has generated approximately $22 million in sales.  In                 
  response to  additional questions from the  Co-chairman, Mr.                 
  Hayden advised  that approximately  $12 million  of the  $14                 
  million in the vessel replacement fund has been obligated to                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  the new vessel.                                                              
                                                                               
  Discussion followed regarding the status  of the new vessel.                 
  Mr. Hayden  said that  it has  been sent  to the  shipyards.                 
  They are in the  process of preparing stage I  proposals for                 
  return to the  state.  A  preproposal meeting with the  five                 
  shipyards  will  be held  in  Seattle tomorrow.    The state                 
  expects to  have a  contract signed  in August.   The  total                 
  projected cost is $85 million.                                               
                                                                               
  Responding to a question from Senator Zharoff concerning how                 
  carry forward  of the  imbalance would  impact bookings  and                 
  schedules,  Mr.  Hayden  explained that  the  draft  of next                 
  winter's schedule has  been sent to communities  for comment                 
  and review.   It  currently proposes  303 weeks  of service.                 
  Less  service  will  have  to  be provided  because  of  the                 
  imbalance.  No bookings for next  winter have yet been made.                 
  Senator Zharoff noted  that winter  sailings are those  that                 
  impact Alaska residents.  Mr. Hayden concurred.                              
                                                                               
  Senator Zharoff next raised a  question regarding the impact                 
  of lack of supplemental funding for contract jails.                          
                                                                               
  DEL SMITH, Deputy Commissioner, Dept.  of Public Safety, and                 
  LT.  BACHMAN,  Administrator  of  Contract  Jails,  Dept. of                 
  Public Safety,  came before  committee.   Mr. Smith  advised                 
  that funding for  the 15  contract jail sites  for FY 95  is                 
  within the  Dept. of  Public Safety.   Proposed  legislation                 
  would move the  function to the  Dept. of Corrections in  FY                 
  96.  Mr. Smith referenced a reduction in the number of sites                 
  from 17 to 15 when two jails were closed at the department's                 
  request.  The state has signed  contracts for FY 95 with  14                 
  communities.  One contract remains pending.  Thirteen of the                 
  contracts are  contingent upon  approval of  funding at  the                 
  level requested in  the supplemental.   The other  contract,                 
  with the North Slope Borough,  contains language saying that                 
  if it is not funded, the jail  will close at midnight May 9,                 
  1995.   FY 93  funding is  currently in  place.   The FY  95                 
  supplemental  request would  adequately address  the present                 
  cost of operating the jails.                                                 
                                                                               
  In response to a question  from Co-chairman Frank, Mr. Smith                 
  explained that  charges brought against offenders within the                 
  North  Slope Borough are brought under  state statutes.  The                 
  care  of   prisoners,  following  initial  arrest,   is  the                 
  responsibility of the  commissioner of  the Dept. of  Public                 
  Safety.  The department thus  contracts with community jails                 
  to  hold  prisoners  until they  can  be  moved  to a  state                 
  facility or an arrangement is made to retain them within the                 
  community while they serve  their time.  With the  exception                 
  of Anchorage, most communities utilize state misdemeanor and                 
  felony charges.   Responding to an additional  question, Mr.                 
  Smith read from  AS 33.30.071 concerning the  custody, care,                 
  and   discipline  of   prisoners  pending   arraignment  and                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  commitment  to the Dept. of  Corrections.  Lt. Bachman added                 
  that once the cost of operating the jail for the North Slope                 
  Borough was  identified, the  community was  not willing  to                 
  operate the  facility at all.  The state agreed to the terms                 
  of the above-noted contract because the borough handles over                 
  900  prisoners  a year.    The department  would immediately                 
  become  responsible  for  those offenders  if  some  form of                 
  contract was not in place.  In light of transport costs, the                 
  department agreed to  "allow them to at least  operate until                 
  the first of May . . . ."                                                    
                                                                               
  Lt. Bachman further  explained that  contracts now in  place                 
  received an extension  for the first  four months of FY  95.                 
  They expired the end of October, last year.  Mr. Smith  read                 
  a listing of contract jail sites:                                            
                                                                               
       Bristol Bay         Cordova        Craig                                
       Dillingham          Haines         Homer                                
       Kodiak              Kotzebue       North Slope Borough                  
       Petersburg          Seward         Sitka                                
       Unalaska            Valdez         Wrangell                             
                                                                               
  Facilities  at Seldovia  and Emmonak  have been closed.   He                 
  reiterated  that   the  state   signed  contracts   with  14                 
  communities, contingent upon funding by the legislature.                     
                                                                               
  Discussion  followed between  Senator Sharp and  Lt. Bachman                 
  regarding municipal law enforcement.  Lt. Bachman reiterated                 
  that most cities  bring charges under  state law.  With  the                 
  exception of Anchorage and Juneau, they do not use municipal                 
  ordinances.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Senator Zharoff again inquired regarding  the impact of lack                 
  of supplemental funding,  asking if  the contracts would  be                 
  void.    Mr.  Smith  responded  that  it  would depend  upon                 
  situations at individual sites.  Some may continue operating                 
  under FY  93 level  funding and  absorbing the cost  through                 
  June 30 and  then not agree to  a new contract.   Others may                 
  serve notification that they will  no longer participate and                 
  will  not  house  state  prisoners.    In  that  case, other                 
  department  resources  would  have  to  be  directed  toward                 
  transport  of  offenders  to  the  nearest  state  facility.                 
  Unfortunately, state  facilities are at capacity and beyond.                 
  Other options would be requesting "own recognizance release"                 
  as  opposed  to  immediately   placing  offenders  in  jail.                 
  Deferred  prosecution is a further  option.  If transport is                 
  necessary,  troopers  would  have  to  be taken  from  other                 
  functions to make the transfer.                                              
                                                                               
  Co-chairman Frank  inquired concerning a  comparison between                 
  existing  contracts  and  the  FY 96  request.    Mr.  Smith                 
  directed attention  to backup information (copy  appended to                 
  these minutes)  accompanying the supplemental  request.   He                 
  explained  that  it reflects  eight  months of  funding from                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  November 1, 1994, through the end of FY 95 on June 30.                       
                                                                               
  Senator Zharoff voiced his understanding that offenders held                 
  in contract  jails are held for violation of state law.  Mr.                 
  Smith concurred.   He  then reiterated  that those  arrested                 
  under   state   law  become   the   responsibility  of   the                 
  commissioner of the Dept. of Public Safety.                                  
                                                                               
  Co-chairman  Frank  suggested  that  the  state  has  little                 
  control over arrests at the local level which feed prisoners                 
  into the state system.   He then asked if  communities share                 
  in the cost of  contract jails.  Lt. Bachman  explained that                 
  the  state  pays 100%  of  the operating  cost:   personnel,                 
  vehicle costs, electricity, and other  utilities.  The state                 
  does  not  pay  for the  actual  physical  plant.   That  is                 
  contributed  by  the community.    Senator Zharoff  asked if                 
  communities  could  refuse to  house  state prisoners.   Lt.                 
  Bachman  explained that  contracts  require that  they  take                 
  state prisoners; they  cannot refuse.   In the absence of  a                 
  contract, they could decline to do so.                                       
                                                                               
  In response to an inquiry from Co-chairman Frank, Mr.  Smith                 
  told  members that  prior to  November 1, when  findings and                 
  standards were  developed for  identifying actual  costs for                 
  which  the  state is  responsible, there  was no  listing or                 
  accountability  for   what  the  state  was   "paying  for."                 
  Standards  provide  stability   to  the  program.     FY  95                 
  supplemental funding will get the effort on track and enable                 
  the program to be predictable in future years.                               
                                                                               
  The Co-chairman voiced his understanding that the department                 
  will have to renegotiate contracts at  the end of the fiscal                 
  year in June.   Discussion followed regarding  potential for                 
  increases and need  for a FY 96  supplemental as well.   Mr.                 
  Smith  advised  that  under  the newly  developed  standards                 
  formula,  increases  should  be  substantially  smaller  and                 
  involve cost of living needs.                                                
                                                                               
  Senator   Zharoff   next   inquired   concerning   lack   of                 
  supplemental funding in  Alaska Housing Finance  Corporation                 
  for senior housing to match the HUD allocation level, asking                 
  what impact it would have at Stebbins and Barrow.                            
                                                                               
  BOB  BARATKO, Director,  Administrative  Services, Dept.  of                 
  Revenue,  came  before  committee.    He advised  of  AHFC's                 
  anticipation  that HUD funds would  be made available in the                 
  next federal fiscal  year.  There is,  however, no guarantee                 
  that would happen.                                                           
                                                                               
  Discussion of  the overlap of state and federal fiscal years                 
  followed.  The state would lose the upcoming building season                 
  by not  capitalizing in FY 95.   There is also a possibility                 
  that HUD will  not provide  the same level  of funding  next                 
  year.    The funding  ratio  is approximately  $5.00 federal                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  dollars for each state $1.00.  Stebbins would receive $621.0                 
  in AHFC funding.  HUD funding totals $3,265.0.  Barrow would                 
  receive $621.5, with HUD funding of $3,262.9.  Funding would                 
  provide 20 housing units in each community.                                  
                                                                               
  In  response  to  a  question  from Co-chairman  Frank,  Mr.                 
  Baratko  explained  that  AHFC's request  is  based  on best                 
  estimates provided  by federal  agencies.  However,  federal                 
  agencies  do not define  the allocation of  funds until well                 
  into  the  federal  fiscal  year.    Requested  funding  was                 
  unanticipated when AHFC developed its budget submission.                     
                                                                               
  Co-chairman  Frank  asked  if  projects  are  bid-ready  for                 
  construction this year.   Mr.  Baratko answered, "That's  my                 
  understanding, sir."   Contractors are  lined up to  present                 
  bids.                                                                        
                                                                               
  NANCY  SLAGLE,   Director  of  Budget   Review,  Office   of                 
  Management and Budget, advised of  information from staff at                 
  AHFC indicating that April is a  critical time since that is                 
  when the moneys are allocated by the federal government.  If                 
  corporate receipt  moneys are  available at  that time,  the                 
  federal government will be  able to make the allocation  for                 
  these projects  and put them  on line this summer.   If AHFC                 
  must await the FY 96 capital budget process, the state loses                 
  that window, and the projects  will be delayed a year.   Co-                 
  chairman Frank questioned whether the projects are bid-ready                 
  to proceed.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Senator  Rieger inquired  concerning the  federal allocation                 
  process.  Mr. Baratko voiced  his understanding that federal                 
  money is made available  and identified to the states.   The                 
  states then have  a certain amount of time to  commit to the                 
  match.  HUD then releases funds to  the state.  If the state                 
  does not provide the  match, the offer is withdrawn  for the                 
  year.  April is the deadline for the match.  That allows HUD                 
  time to reallocate funds to other states prior to the end of                 
  the federal fiscal year in September.                                        
                                                                               
  Senator Sharp advised of three reasons to deny the request:                  
                                                                               
       1.   The poison pill  clause in AHFC's latest  mortgage                 
  that prohibits transfer of unrestricted  assets of the State                 
  of Alaska,  or  any department  agency, instrumentality,  or                 
  political  subdivisions  thereof,  pursuant  to  legislative                 
  appropriation,   or   otherwise,   without    receiving   in                 
  consideration  thereof  assets  or  equivalent  fair  market                 
  value.   Transfer of  $1.00 without receipt  of equal assets                 
  could trigger default.                                                       
                                                                               
       2.   It  is  bad  public  policy  to place  significant                 
  capital in a supplemental budget.                                            
                                                                               
       3.   The  funds are  available  in  the federal  budget                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  until  October.   They  can thus  be included  in the  FY 96                 
  capital budget.                                                              
                                                                               
  AHFC has not yet been able to cite a single instance wherein                 
  bid-ready documents  are in  place.   A two  or three  month                 
  slide in providing  the match  does not lead  to forfeit  of                 
  federal  moneys.     Mr.  Baratko  reiterated  need   for  a                 
  commitment by April.  Senator Zharoff asked if the state had                 
  previously lost federal  funds by failure to make  the April                 
  commitment.  Nancy  Slagle said  she did not  know what  the                 
  historical  background has  been,  since AHFC  only recently                 
  came  under  the executive  budget  act.   Co-chairman Frank                 
  voiced his recollection that similar  funding was dealt with                 
  in the  capital rather than supplemental budget.  Ms. Slagle                 
  stressed need for timeliness.                                                
                                                                               
  Senator Donley directed attention  to the following proposed                 
  intent language:                                                             
                                                                               
       The public defender, the office of public advocacy                      
       and the Department  of Law  shall each, within  15                      
       days of passage of this legislation, report to the                      
       legislature   on   what   statutory   changes   or                      
       regulatory action can be constitutionally taken to                      
       reduce  the  operational  costs  to  the  state of                      
       defending   accused   individuals  in   the  state                      
       criminal justice system.                                                
                                                                               
  Co-chairman  Frank  called  for   objections.    None   were                 
  forthcoming, and the intent was ADOPTED.                                     
                                                                               
  Co-chairman Halford  directed  attention  to  the  following                 
  additional intent:                                                           
                                                                               
       It  is  the  intent of  the  legislature  that the                      
       Department of Corrections  shall maintain  funding                      
       for operation of the McKinley meat plant in Palmer                      
       during the remainder of fiscal year 1995.                               
                                                                               
  Co-chairman Frank  called for  objections.   Senator Zharoff                 
  inquired  concerning  need  for  the  intent.    Co-chairman                 
  Halford explained  that it merely  seeks to ensure  that the                 
  department utilizes supplemental moneys for the purposes for                 
  which they were sought.                                                      
                                                                               
  MARGARET  PUGH,  Commissioner,  Dept.  of Corrections,  came                 
  before committee.   She concurred that with  proper funding,                 
  the department should  be able  to maintain the  plant.   If                 
  adequate funding  is not provided, the plan  was to continue                 
  the  prison  industry laundry  at  the Lemon  Creek facility                 
  since it  provides services  to the  marine highway  system.                 
  Beyond  that,  the  department  had  not  selected  specific                 
  industries to continue.  The cost of continuing the McKinley                 
  plant  is approximately $13.0 for the remainder of the year.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Co-chairman Halford  voiced his understanding that the plant                 
  would continue to operate under the $99.0 funded in both the                 
  House and Senate bills.                                                      
                                                                               
  BOB  COLE, Director,  Division  of Administrative  Services,                 
  Dept. of Corrections, came before  committee.  He advised of                 
  department  intent  to  hold   all  correctional  industries                 
  harmless until the end of the fiscal year.                                   
                                                                               
  Co-chairman  Frank called  for  objections  to the  proposed                 
  intent.    No  objection  having  been  raised,  the  intent                 
  language was ADOPTED.                                                        
                                                                               
  Co-chairman Frank referenced March 10, 1995,  correspondence                 
  and asked how the department would deal with lack of funding                 
  for  the  request.    Commissioner  Pugh  advised  that  the                 
  department  "would  like  to seek  another  $2.5  million in                 
  supplemental funding . . . ."   Co-chairman Frank voiced his                 
  understanding that  the new  request is  in addition to  the                 
  $609.0.  The Commissioner responded affirmatively,  advising                 
  that it is  not possible  for the department  to compress  a                 
  savings  of $2.5  million into the  remaining months  of the                 
  current  fiscal year.   The  department has scaled  back and                 
  reduced  its original  supplemental  request  from $13.6  to                 
  $10.6  through  efficiencies,   recalculation  of   worker's                 
  compensation,  cancellation  of  planned training  sessions,                 
  cancellation   of  an   emergency   25-bed  CRC   (community                 
  residential center contract),  movement of prisoners  around                 
  to balance the  population and avoid overtime,  and transfer                 
  of prisoners to Arizona and to CRCs to avoid court fines.                    
                                                                               
  End:      SFC-95, #17, Side 1                                                
  Begin:    SFC-95, #17, Side 2                                                
                                                                               
  If additional funding  is not received, the  department will                 
  have  to implement a hiring freeze.  There are approximately                 
  40 vacancies in the department, at  the present time.  Those                 
  and  subsequent  vacancies  would  have  to  be  held  open.                 
  Control   of   expenditure   of   overtime   would   require                 
  rescheduling of  annual leave.   The  department would  also                 
  implement "emergency  purchase only"  for supplies,  travel,                 
  and  food.     Cancellation  of  training  means   that  the                 
  department will not be in compliance with state statutes for                 
  the   level  of  training   required  for  correctional  and                 
  probation officers.  In addition to a sweep of all accounts,                 
  the  department   would  have  to   cancel  some   community                 
  residential center  contracts and  place offenders  in those                 
  programs on  some  sort of  commutation  or return  them  to                 
  institutions.                                                                
                                                                               
  Commissioner  Pugh said that  cancellation of  contracts for                 
  community residential centers  could be mitigated by  use of                 
  $570.0 in earned program receipts from DWI collections.  The                 
  department does not now have authority to receive and expend                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  those moneys.                                                                
                                                                               
  Co-chairman Frank noted that in comparing the request to the                 
  FY 95 budget request for institutions, the $609.0 brings the                 
  department up to the level of the Governor's request.  Funds                 
  for out-of-state contractual  have also been provided.   The                 
  legislature does not understand  why the department is  in a                 
  bind.   Commissioner  Pugh  explained  that in  FY  94,  the                 
  department held 55 to 60 positions in institutions open.  In                 
  October, the department filled those positions.  Co-chairman                 
  Frank advised of a commitment  from the prior administration                 
  that it would not spend beyond the FY 95 Governor's request.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Senator Donley voiced  concern regarding the budget  for the                 
  Dept. of Corrections and  suggested that other areas  of the                 
  budget should first  be reduced before impacting  ability to                 
  incarcerate dangerous  people.  He  suggested that  furlough                 
  programs have been pushed  as far as they can go.   There is                 
  concern regarding endangerment due to lack of incarceration.                 
  The Senator voiced support for a shift  of priorities toward                 
  corrections, from a public safety point of view.                             
                                                                               
  Co-chairman  Halford   directed  attention  to   a  proposed                 
  amendment  involving three  transfers  within the  Dept.  of                 
  Health  and  Social  Services  to  provide  $580.5  for  the                 
  McLaughlin  Youth Center.  Senator Rieger inquired regarding                 
  the  impact of  the reduction  in waivers  services.   JANET                 
  CLARKE, Director,  Administrative Services, Dept.  of Health                 
  and Social Services, explained that reduced  funding relates                 
  to the four  Medicaid waivers  the department received  from                 
  the   federal   government   for   adults   with    physical                 
  disabilities,  children  with  complex  medical  conditions,                 
  older Alaskans, etc.   The  program is new  and has  existed                 
  only a year.   Projections  on how fast  the department  was                 
  able to  get clients  on the waiver  have not  proven to  be                 
  accurate.  The  funds will lapse  if not expended.   Senator                 
  Rieger sought assurance  that costs incurred in  FY 95 would                 
  not be paid out of FY 96 moneys.                                             
                                                                               
  In response to a  question from Senator Zharoff, Ms.  Clarke                 
  described the process  whereby the  department reviewed  the                 
  budget  for  lapsing  balances,  or   items  that  could  be                 
  deferred, to  come up with  funds for  the McLaughlin  Youth                 
  Center.  The Commissioner stressed that transfers should not                 
  impact direct service.                                                       
                                                                               
  Co-chairman  Frank  called for  objections  to the  proposed                 
  amendment.  No  objection having been raised,  the AMENDMENT                 
  was ADOPTED.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Senator Donley again  raised public  safety concerns due  to                 
  lack  of  adequate  funding for  the  Dept.  of Corrections.                 
  Directing attention to Sec. 4,  statewide operations for all                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  institutions, he MOVED to add an additional $2.5 million and                 
  that  the  funding source  be  the underground  storage tank                 
  fund.   Co-chairman  Frank asked  that  the motion  be  HELD                 
  pending a recess of the meeting.                                             
                                                                               
  Senator  Zharoff  voiced   need  for  additional  amendments                 
  relating to the ferry system,  community jails, Toksook Bay,                 
  the gaming task force, office of public advocacy, the public                 
  defendant agency, and Alaska Housing Finance Corporation.                    
                                                                               
  Senator Donley advised that if  his foregoing motion for the                 
  additional  $2.5  million fails,  he  would instead  move to                 
  allow department use of the $570.0 in program receipts  from                 
  DWI offenders.                                                               
                                                                               
                       RECESS - 11:40 A.M.                                     
                     RECONVENE - 12:55 P.M.                                    
                                                                               
  Co-chairman  Halford MOVED  for  adoption  of the  following                 
  three-part amendment:                                                        
                                                                               
       1.   Add $1.5 million in general funds to the Dept.  of                 
  Law for        oil and  gas  litigation.   The Senate  total                 
                 would remain  below both the  initial request                 
                 and House funding.                                            
                                                                               
       2.   Add  $570.0 in general fund, program receipts from                 
  DWI       fines to the Dept. of Corrections, institutions.                   
                                                                               
       3.   Add  $106.9  to  the  Alaska  Court System,  trial                 
  courts, for         Arctic Slope royalty case.                               
                                                                               
  No objection having been raised, the AMENDMENT was ADOPTED.                  
                                                                               
  Directing attention to  Sec. 20  of the draft  SCS CSHB  137                 
  (Fin) and the  $500.0 appropriation  to the disaster  relief                 
  fund, Co-chairman Halford MOVED to delete the last phrase at                 
  page 4, line 30,  thus removing "for the fiscal  year ending                 
  June  30,  1996."    No objection  having  been  raised, the                 
  AMENDMENT was ADOPTED.                                                       
                                                                               
  Senator Donley MOVED  to restore the Governor's  request for                 
  statewide   operation   of   Dept.  of   Corrections.     He                 
  acknowledged addition of the $570.0  in program receipts but                 
  voiced need for restoration of the original request as well.                 
  He  further  MOVED  to  use  the  underground  storage  tank                 
  assistance fund as  the funding source for  the $2.5 million                 
  requested by the department.   Senator Sharp OBJECTED.   Co-                 
  chairman  Frank  called for  a show  of  hands.   The motion                 
  FAILED on a vote of 2 to 4.                                                  
                                                                               
  Senator Sharp referenced the $1.8  million in AHFC corporate                 
  receipts  proposed by the Governor for use as a match to HUD                 
  funds for senior  housing and asked that  the administration                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  include  it  in the  FY  96  capital budget,  if  it  is not                 
  ultimately funded in the proposed supplemental.                              
                                                                               
  Senator  Donley  advised that  he  was not  yet  convinced a                 
  supplemental is necessary for the public defender agency and                 
  MOVED to delete the $50.0 from the Senate bill.  Co-chairman                 
  Frank  voiced  support  for  the recommendation  by  Senator                 
  Phillips,  chairman  of  the subcommittee  on  the  Dept. of                 
  Administration  budget.    The  Co-chairman  suggested  that                 
  earlier  adopted  intent  should focus  agency  interest  on                 
  reductions.                                                                  
                                                                               
  In response to a question concerning impact of the deletion,                 
  Senator Donley referenced  past years where funding  for the                 
  public defender increased dramatically while prosecution was                 
  held  to little  or no  growth.   At the  present  time, the                 
  public defender has superior equipment to the prosecutor and                 
  is able to provide costly defenses.                                          
                                                                               
  Senator  Zharoff  advised  that  he  could not  support  the                 
  deletion  and  would  instead  seek  to offer  an  amendment                 
  increasing support to  $75.0.  Senator Sharp  voiced support                 
  for the $50.0 recommended by  the subcommittee chairman, but                 
  also  noted  that   he  would  ask  that   Senator  Phillips                 
  reconsider   the   recommendation.     Co-chairman   Halford                 
  concurred  in comments by Senator Donley  but advised of his                 
  intent  to  support the  subcommittee  recommendation.   Co-                 
  chairman  Frank  called for  a show  of  hands.   The motion                 
  FAILED on a vote of 1 to 5.                                                  
                                                                               
  Senator  Zharoff  then  MOVED to  increase  funding  for the                 
  public defender agency from $50.0 to $75.0, because the case                 
  load  from court  appointments  has  continued to  increase.                 
  Senator Sharp OBJECTED.  Co-chairman Frank called for a show                 
  of hands.  The motion FAILED on a vote of 1 to 5.                            
                                                                               
  Senator  Zharoff  next  MOVED to  increase  funding  for the                 
  marine  highway system  from $1.00  to the  House figure  of                 
  $400.0.   Co-chairman Halford OBJECTED.   Co-chairman  Frank                 
  called for  a show of hands.  The motion FAILED on a vote of                 
  1 to 5.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Senator  Zharoff  MOVED  to provide  funding  of  $682.4 for                 
  contract jails to cover existing contracts with communities.                 
  He  suggested  that   the  state  has  taken   advantage  of                 
  communities in  the past and  has not paid the  full cost of                 
  services.  Contract jails have been  a benefit to the state.                 
  Without them, costs will escalate considerably, particularly                 
  in  the  transport   of  prisoners.       Co-chairman  Frank                 
  acknowledged  concern  on  behalf  of  the  legislature  and                 
  suggested  that the jails  would be dealt with  in the FY 96                 
  budget.  Senator  Donley concurred  in concern, saying  that                 
  should the motion fail, he would support providing  half the                 
  funding from an alternative funding source.  Senator Zharoff                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  expressed further  concern that  funding for  the jails  was                 
  deleted  in   both  House   and  Senate   versions  of   the                 
  supplemental.  That leaves little room for  negotiation in a                 
  conference committee.   Reduction of  funding sends a  clear                 
  message to communities.  Reaction is likely to be immediate.                 
  Co-chairman Frank called  for a show  of hands.  The  motion                 
  FAILED on a vote of 1 to 5.                                                  
                                                                               
  Senator Donley MOVED to restore $341.2 (half of the original                 
  request) to contract jails through an appropriation from the                 
  agricultural revolving loan fund, saying that contract jails                 
  represent  a  higher  priority  than  loans.    The  Senator                 
  reiterated that  failure to  provide  funding leaves  little                 
  opportunity for negotiation.  Co-chairman Frank called for a                 
  show of hands.  The motion FAILED on a vote of 2 to 4.                       
                                                                               
  Senator Zharoff  MOVED to provide  the $1.8 million  for the                 
  Toksook Bay  settlement.   He suggested  that if  preventive                 
  measures are not taken at this time, long-term costs will be                 
  much higher.   Both  Co-chairman Halford  and Senator  Sharp                 
  voiced  OBJECTION.  Co-chairman  Frank called for  a show of                 
  hands.  The motion FAILED on a vote of 1 to 5.                               
                                                                               
  Senator Zharoff referenced the  charitable gaming task force                 
  which was established  last year but not  adequately funded.                 
  He then MOVED to add $33.8  in general fund program receipts                 
  to the Dept. of  Revenue for costs associated with  the task                 
  force.  Co-chairman Halford OBJECTED.                                        
                                                                               
  Senator Rieger voiced  his recollection that the  task force                 
  reflects a new effort  that was not authorized in  the FY 95                 
  operating budget.  He then referenced the committee decision                 
  not  to  fund  policy  calls  that  represent  a  change  of                 
  direction  from  the  FY  95  budget.     That  approach  is                 
  appropriate given the present financial situation.                           
                                                                               
  Senate President, Drue Pearce, advised that  the legislature                 
  passed  gaming legislation.    Regulations implementing  the                 
  legislation were taken to court by operators.   Although the                 
  Dept. of Law indicated the state would win in court, the new                 
  administration  established the referenced task force and is                 
  not proceeding with either the  law suit or establishment of                 
  regulations.    That  is contrary  to  what  the legislature                 
  passed.  Funding is not warranted.                                           
                                                                               
  Co-chairman Frank called for a show  of hands on the motion.                 
  The motion FAILED on a vote of 1 to 5.                                       
                                                                               
  Senator Zharoff again  referenced the  $1.8 million  request                 
  for Alaska  Housing Finance  Corporation for senior  housing                 
  and  stressed  need to  capture  federal dollars  within the                 
  necessary time frame.                                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Senator Donley MOVED to utilize the underground storage tank                 
  assistance  fund  to  restore half,  $1,250,  of  the $2,500                 
  request for the tourism marketing  council.  Senator Zharoff                 
  questioned  whether  the source  of  funds had  already been                 
  committed.      Nancy   Slagle  advised   of   an   existing                 
  appropriation  of  approximately  $3 million  for  operating                 
  costs  of  the program  which  are not  reflected  in access                 
  documents provided to Legislative Finance.  There is thus no                 
  balance available in the storage tank assistant fund without                 
  going back and reappropriating moneys already identified for                 
  operation  of the  program for  the current  year.   Senator                 
  Donley said he was willing to do that.                                       
                                                                               
  Co-chairman Frank called  for a show  of hands.  The  motion                 
  FAILED on a vote of 1 to 5.                                                  
                                                                               
  Co-chairman Halford MOVED for passage of SCS CSHB  137 (Fin)                 
  with individual  recommendations.  Senator  Zharoff OBJECTED                 
  for the purpose of  statement.  He then voiced  concern that                 
  the Senate bill would damage existing programs and suggested                 
  that the committee went further  than necessary in effecting                 
  reductions.  Senator Donley concurred in the OBJECTION.                      
                                                                               
  End:      SFC-95, #17, Side 2                                                
  Begin:    SFC-95, #19, Side 1                                                
                                                                               
  He again  stressed need  to properly  incarcerate those  who                 
  pose  a  danger  to  public  safety.    Co-chairman  Halford                 
  concurred and noted  that addition of the  $570.0 in program                 
  receipts  to statewide  correctional  operations will  avoid                 
  placing someone on early release because of lack of space.                   
                                                                               
  Co-chairman Frank noted that funding incorporated within the                 
  supplemental  raises the budget above the governor's request                 
  for  FY  95.    He  concurred  in  concern  but  added  that                 
  responsible funding  has been  provided.  While  it may  not                 
  include everything the  Dept. of Corrections would  like, it                 
  will   force   management   decisions  and   prioritizations                 
  consistent with outlines presented by the commissioner.  The                 
  approach is reasonable.                                                      
                                                                               
  Co-chairman Frank called for  a show of hands on  passage of                 
  the supplemental bill.  The motion CARRIED on a vote of 4 to                 
  2, and SCS  CSHB 137  (Fin) was REPORTED  OUT of  committee.                 
  Co-chairmen Frank and Halford and  Senators Rieger and Sharp                 
  signed the committee report with a "do pass" recommendation.                 
  Senators Donley and Zharoff signed "no recommendation."                      
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  The meeting was adjourned at approximately 1:25 p.m.                         
                                                                               

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